News
Scoreboard
Events
Demos
Downloads
Galleries
Forums
May 24th 2013, 1:44am UTC+0
Today, 2:00AM
ADP
-
-
-
GoSu
-
-
-
TV posted when available
• ESEA CS:S Season 14
Today, 2:00AM
wL
-
-
-
ViN
-
-
-
TV posted when available
• ESEA CS:S Season 14
What to Watch
    Upcoming Events
    Site Poll
    Which Week 1.1 EU Invite match are you most excited to watch?
    NiP vs. Copenhagen Wolves
    nfaculty vs. VeryGames
    Anexis vs. Natus Vincere
    Epsilon Razer vs. fnatic
    k1ck vs. VirtusPro
    Team LDLC vs. ESC
    Recent Discussions
    Content

    Leviathan Gaming's Big Bad Breakup

    John "djc-" Carter on Sat, 12/01/2012 7:03AM

    How many of you believed that the Tyrone and b4nny union would last until the end of Team Fortress 2?

    eMg's power combo viewing Dave__AC's roamer magic


    When I started talking to and hanging around with the eMazing Gaming crew, they seemed like a perfect fit – a confident, assertive, charismatic pocket soldier and team leader who could help manage and mold the shy, friendly, non-molded form that was on demoman. B4nny used to believe in Tyrone as a leader, as a teammate, and a pocket soldier. That confidence seemed to diminish over the seasons, as Tyrone found himself with less free time and less ability to keep his gaming ability up to par. When you take time away from TF2, your mechanics get a little worse, your feel for the game gets a little worse, your sense of timing can erode... all three of which hit Tyrone hard. His online play would suffer, but he would show up to LAN and look more like the man of olden days, eMg enoryt instead of LG | enoryt.

    The Prophets Ft. Dashner with trophy number two


    With the b4nny versus Platinum struggle entering yet another season, and Platinum having gained the upper hand with his perfect season and most recent LAN win, something had to change for Leviathan Gaming to regain their spot as THE dominant TF2 team. And at some point along the way, b4nny decided that the best change would be if Tyrone made his last stand and walked off into the sunset. Most expected that the three time LAN champion, the longest tenured captain in Invite, would accept his fate and let the worms feast on him in the TF2 afterlife. Most people were wrong.

    The plot – if you can call it that – came about at some point late in the season. Tyrone was tired of being disrespected, of being trolled, of being on the receiving end of some two-faced behavior, all of which came from his own team. If you were a stream viewer, then no doubt you tuned in to TyreezeTV at some point this season. You got to see Tyrone play pocket soldier with varying degrees of success, got to see some of the backstage drama that comes along with an Invite team, but you also were able to hear. You could hear the constant stream of jokes about Tyrone's skill, or comments about how he was more focused on his stream chat than the scrim they were playing. His priorities were clearly things other than TF2, proven by the long breaks he would take between maps to go for a smoke or when he would make an early night of it to go spend time with his girlfriend. As much a fan of Tyrone as I am, many of the criticisms his team had were legitimate: his time in DM dropped, his lengthy Badlands middle MGE sessions were the past rather than the present, and on the whole, it seemed like Tyrone was just going to coast into LAN and then try to show up and play like it was the year 2009. He knew this would be his last season with b4nny, and probably the last time he pocketed for Shade while cyzer ran the flanks.

    Leviathan Gaming's final championship run


    What none of them knew was that Tyrone had talked to the Spacewhales, spoken to new LG teammate hero, and had already set his team up for season thirteen. For so long, it looked like Tyrone would be cut and Lansky would take over as the pocket, giving b4nny a partner as dedicated as he was, someone just as willing to learn and improve. The truth was, Tyrone never intended to give up the roster that he had created and lead for so long. And he made sure to give a final tip of the cap to his old team by taking two players who b4nny wanted more than anyone else – clockwork and blaze, the scout and roamer for The Spacewhales, and two of the best players in the game at their positions. When Tyrone told b4nny who he was bringing on to the former-LG roster, b4nny's response was a defeated “oh...”

    But it would not be fair if I just painted this entire article about some masterstroke plan that Tyrone pulled off; b4nny has a side to this story as well. Imagine if you will that you start playing TF2 as a demoman who is eager to learn and improve, a Call of Duty professional player from when you were nine years old. You spend a solid eight thousand hours playing the game, the vast majority of it in a competitive format, working on your timing and positioning, finding the microscopic details and smoothing them out. You run through a string of MGE practice partners, all Invite level soldiers and scouts, so that you can find a way to win every one-versus-one you will ever engage in. You know that your team's success depends solely upon your play, and the community puts constant pressure on you by calling you “Jesus” and “The Boy Wonder” and acts of worship become a daily event.

    The all-powerful aura imbued by the TF2 community


    If you are that person, the bare minimum you expect out of your five teammates is not going to be “don't trip, I'll be good at LAN.” The perfect season, never losing a map, dropping eleven rounds over an entire season – those should be yours, not someone else's. So when things happen like Tyrone biffing an uber and doing zero damage to the enemy and two hundred fifty to himself in the process of cratering, or when Dave__AC comes to middle and gets his colors confused and decides to suicide bomb his own demo instead of the enemy medic – that is not enough. The only thing good enough for b4nny would be every championship.

    “I could have all the championships if I wanted.” Those were the words he uttered, b4nny letting everyone know that he could cut Tyrone, cut his way to the top if he wanted. The implication was that he would never sink to Platinum's level, the man who cut Blackymonster, Lansky, Relic, and whatever other bodies have lined the path to Mixup's glory. He said that two weeks ago, after having made plans to cut Tyrone, Dave__AC, and Cyzer to start his run of multiple championships. Just imagine what a dream team consisting of Shrugger and Clockwork on scout, Lansky and Blaze on soldier, b4nny on demo, and Shade on medic could do... but he wound up batting one for three on those replacement players. Particularly awkward must have been the conversation where b4nny asked Cyzer if he would be willing to play on the team, since b4nny's preferred option of Clockwork was no longer in the equation. Nothing seemed to go as plan. How could b4nny have all of the championships if none of the players he wanted to recruit were willing to play with him? The consolation prize for Team b4nny was the acquisition of Taggerung to go along with Shrugger, two players he hopes will be championship caliber players by season's end.

    The end of an era


    Maybe it will be easy for b4nny to battle his way to several more glass trophies now that Tyrone is gone. It might be hard as hell for Tyrone, who has never walked down the Invite road without b4nny by his side. For the first time, these two top players will have to traverse the same path while going different ways. What used to be the most consistent and dependent combo in TF2 is no more; the Tyrone uber that cleared space and drew attention will never again be followed up by one thousand damage from b4nny's stickies and pipes. The calming influence that Tyrone brought to the team is gone, and it has to be asked if Lansky can replace it. B4nny's superb positioning and perfect reads and predictions are gone, and we know that Dummy has always been one or two steps behind his fellow demoman; will this season change that?. The little questions will pile up for both of these players as they try to replicate their prior team's success, and on LAN weekend, there will be only one thing left to ask of Tyrone and b4nny – what does it take to be a LAN champion, and do you still have it?



    All photos courtesy of ESEA News.
    Comments
      
    Actions
     / · 12.1.12 at 8:57am #1 Tone-Pot
    soo much information, love it
     / · 12.1.12 at 9:25am #2 buckweet
    Stirring the pot. Cheers.
     / · 12.1.12 at 9:48am #3 enigma
    good read as usual
     / · 12.1.12 at 10:01am #4 lamefx
    nice article. interested in how these two teams play out
     / · 12.1.12 at 3:13pm #6 b4nny
    It's kind of upsetting seeing such inaccurate descriptions of my plans and motivations. Next time just ask me and I will tell you.
     / · 12.1.12 at 4:16pm #7 djc-
    the information i got was from people i trust

    Last modified on 12/1/2012 at 4:18 pm
     / · 12.1.12 at 4:32pm #8 tooth
    Wow, this article was really awesome.
     / · 12.1.12 at 6:40pm #9 kuza
    Very well written, but you really didn't talk to banny before writing all that?
    Everything is perspective so until you ask someone directly what they intended, you'll never get the full truth. Trusting a 3rd party about a 2nd parties personal thoughts is bit absurd.

    Last modified on 12/1/2012 at 6:41 pm
     / · 12.1.12 at 7:53pm #10 djc-
    clockwork isn't exactly a third party in this situation, especially when i explain to him what i said in the article and he goes "well that's true so"

    Last modified on 12/1/2012 at 7:53 pm
     / · 12.1.12 at 8:20pm #11 Platinum
    Will be interesting to see how tyrones team performs without the massive damage banny lays out and how bannys team plays without tyrones incredible ability to keep his team positive despite bannys intenseness. I'm looking forward to that first match to see who trips and who walks on water.
     / · 12.1.12 at 8:57pm #12 Pururin
    This is the TF2 equivalent of the tripe you find in tabloids. It's editorialized, over-dramatic, and favours gimmicky alliteration and speculation over factual reporting. Your bias is just incredible. Not that you're trying to hide it--having famously called b4nny, AND I QUOTE, a "little fat housewife-looking douchebag." At least try having some journalistic integrity for god's sake. At least interview the people you're writing about. Or try and interview people whose biases don't simply confirm yours. Both by your own admission on a twitch.tv stream and by the fact that clockwork is playing on Tyrone's team, it's clear whose side of the issue he's on. If I were B4nny I too would be upset at this very unfair portrayal.
     / · 12.1.12 at 8:59pm #13 lamefx
    Also these two teams will play each other first week of the season. should be a fun match
     / · 12.1.12 at 9:07pm #14 kuza
    clockwork is 100% a 3rd party when speculating banny's thoughts.
     / · 12.1.12 at 9:35pm #15 cw_______________
    Referenced post #12 by Pururin
    This is the TF2 equivalent of the tripe you find in tabloids. It's editorialized, over-dramatic, and favours gimmicky alliteration and speculation over factual reporting. Your bias is just... incredible. Not that you're trying to hide it--having famously called b4nny, AND I QUOTE, a "little fat housewife-looking douchebag." At least try having some journalistic integrity for god's sake. At least interview the people you're writing about. Or try and interview people whose biases don't simply confirm yours. Both by your own admission on a twitch.tv stream and by the fact that clockwork is playing on Tyrone's team, it's clear whose side of the issue he's on. If I were B4nny I too would be upset at this very unfair portrayal.Read More
    #12 thank you for telling me whose side I'm on

    there aren't sides. I was on the team for a year and a half. Don't act like I'm spewing biases and bullshit so that djc can write a funny article. Until you're part of the drama, you don't have the facts.
     / · 12.1.12 at 9:50pm #16 Pariah
    What a biased article. I don't follow TF2 or care about it beyond wanting eSports to be furthered but get some writing integrity. Interview people you're writing about-- that's like Journalism 101.
     / · 12.1.12 at 9:56pm #17 kermit-
    I don't see what part of this article showcases b4nny in a negative light.. All I see is that he wants to win LAN, which is something most people want to accomplish..

    I heard about most of these plans before LAN.. seems pretty accurate.
    Interesting to see it written in greater detail. Nice article as always djc.

    Last modified on 12/1/2012 at 9:59 pm
     / · 12.1.12 at 9:59pm #18 Pururin
    Referenced post #15 by cw_______________
    #12 thank you for telling me whose side I'm on

    there aren't sides. I was on the team for a year and a half. Don't act like I'm spewing biases and bullshit so that djc... can write a funny article. Until you're part of the drama, you don't have the facts.Read More
    #15 "there aren't sides"

    But there are sides, if we are to take what DJC has written at face value. It's how he has articulated the entire matter, through photo-illustrations with funny captions and his extended feuding couple/break-up metaphor: as a "division" or "schism" between tyrone and b4nny. If you have a problem with how sensationalist or misleading that is you should be asking him why he chose to write it that way.

    And you're right, no one except those intimately involved have the actual facts. DJC's "reporting" definitely isn't doing anything to help in that regards.

    Last modified on 12/1/2012 at 9:59 pm
     / · 12.1.12 at 10:05pm #19 djc-
    yeah i'm not helping matters by reporting things that were directly told to clockwork (and others) by b4nny

    b4nny told blaze his dream team featured blaze on roamer and clockwork on scout

    b4nny told clockwork he wanted to play for clock's team next season, with it being made clear that cyzer would not come along

    b4nny offered at several times throughout last season to cut people (namely tyrone and cyzer) if it meant that clockwork would come back

    b4nny's just acting pissed off and accusing me of lying because he hates the idea of his public image being disgraced in any way
     / · 12.1.12 at 10:13pm #20 cbear
    open offer to come on Fully Charged and tell your side of the story, b4nny
     / · 12.1.12 at 10:17pm #21 cw_______________
    Referenced post #17 by kermit-
    I don't see what part of this article showcases b4nny in a negative light.. All I see is that he wants to win LAN, which is something most people want to accomplish..

    I heard about... most of these plans before LAN.. seems pretty accurate.
    Interesting to see it written in greater detail. Nice article as always djc.
    Read More
    #17

    this is the most important thing said. I don't see why this is a big deal to anyone in the community. If I weren't happy with my team, I would have done the same thing. In fact, although a lot of br0s players were allegedly quitting, who knows if I would've stayed on the team another season. Sometimes it helps to play with new people to try to find that perfect blend of talent. Nothing is disgraceful. When there's money involved and a reason to compete at the top level, cutting players and trying to create teams with different players is pretty common.

    Last modified on 12/1/2012 at 10:17 pm
     / · 12.2.12 at 12:18am #22 ranga
    awesome article, keeps the hype up. obviously some of these commenters are incredibly biased and are offended by this whole tyrone b4nny thing (sorry your fave player isnt perfect). but its definitely interesting, cant wait for the week 1 match up of the don't _ _ _ teams.
     / · 12.2.12 at 12:37am #23 Guan
    Like Ranga said makes the season exciting. Therefore amazing article DJC can't wait for more!
     / · 12.2.12 at 1:14am #24 lucrative
    Referenced post #12 by Pururin
    This is the TF2 equivalent of the tripe you find in tabloids. It's editorialized, over-dramatic, and favours gimmicky alliteration and speculation over factual reporting. Your bias is just... incredible. Not that you're trying to hide it--having famously called b4nny, AND I QUOTE, a "little fat housewife-looking douchebag." At least try having some journalistic integrity for god's sake. At least interview the people you're writing about. Or try and interview people whose biases don't simply confirm yours. Both by your own admission on a twitch.tv stream and by the fact that clockwork is playing on Tyrone's team, it's clear whose side of the issue he's on. If I were B4nny I too would be upset at this very unfair portrayal.Read More
    #12 going full retard
     / · 12.2.12 at 1:41am #25 cab00se
    I'm just surprised and a little disappointed that b4nny's dream team didn't include cyzer at first. Obviously clckwrk and shrugger have better DM but cyzer's always been the man by b4nny's side, following up on his damage and letting b4nny be as effective as he is, and that's a combo I personally think is irreplacable, unlike Tyrone's pocketing abilities.

    No comment on the article other than that it was a good read, don't want to take sides regarding matters I don't fully understand.

    Last modified on 12/2/2012 at 1:42 am
     / · 12.2.12 at 1:52am #26 b4nny
    Referenced post #19 by djc-
    yeah i'm not helping matters by reporting things that were directly told to clockwork (and others) by b4nny

    b4nny told blaze his dream team featured blaze on roamer and clockwork on... scout

    b4nny told clockwork he wanted to play for clock's team next season, with it being made clear that cyzer would not come along

    b4nny offered at several times throughout last season to cut people (namely tyrone and cyzer) if it meant that clockwork would come back

    b4nny's just acting pissed off and accusing me of lying because he hates the idea of his public image being disgraced in any way
    Read More
    #19 The only thing is that every single one of those points that you listed and then based your article on are either not true or didn't have any impact on the way things turned out.

    Last modified on 12/2/2012 at 1:52 am
     / · 12.2.12 at 3:45am #27 pope-of-dope
    good read, write ups like this keep tf2 interesting, good shit.
     / · 12.2.12 at 5:34am #28 CHE_
    next time on the invite pugs
     / · 12.2.12 at 5:48am #29 Bald_Coworker
    Referenced post #26 by b4nny
    #19 The only thing is that every single one of those points that you listed and then based your article on are either not true or didn't have any impact on the way things turned out.
    #26

    Referenced post #20 by cbear
    open offer to come on Fully Charged and tell your side of the story, b4nny
    #20

    problem solved

    work it out there guys
     / · 12.2.12 at 7:40pm #30 G33KoftheYear2012
    While I usually enjoy djc's writings, this particular piece is a disgrace. I agree with those above that it is comparable to tabloids, and the blatant bias against b4nny really has me questioning the authenticity of the "facts". Could you not have said in the article who you got these "facts" from, and therefore allow the reader to determine for themselves whether or not to believe them? Unless you have physical proof than it really is just speculation. And not even reporting b4nny's side of the story?

    If this were written on a blog or on your own personal website then that is fine, but I expected more than an opinion piece meant to stir the drama from ESEA news. Competitive TF2 really doesn't need articles such as this that just stir the pot, as it seems to blow things out of proportion and looks to be taking invite politics the way of CS:Source. I am disappointed in djc for the unfair and unprofessional way that this piece was written and disappointed in ESEA for allowing it to be published under the heading of ESEA news. This isn't news, it is an opinion piece that adds drama to a game which has tried desperately to separate itself from such.
     / · 12.2.12 at 8:00pm #31 rk-
    Referenced post #24 by lucrative
    #12 going full retard
    #24 If that's so, how do you describe
    Referenced post #30 by G33KoftheYear2012
    While I usually enjoy djc's writings, this particular piece is a disgrace. I agree with those above that it is comparable to tabloids, and the blatant bias against b4nny really has me... questioning the authenticity of the "facts". Could you not have said in the article who you got these "facts" from, and therefore allow the reader to determine for themselves whether or not to believe them? Unless you have physical proof than it really is just speculation. And not even reporting b4nny's side of the story?

    If this were written on a blog or on your own personal website then that is fine, but I expected more than an opinion piece meant to stir the drama from ESEA news. Competitive TF2 really doesn't need articles such as this that just stir the pot, as it seems to blow things out of proportion and looks to be taking invite politics the way of CS:Source. I am disappointed in djc for the unfair and unprofessional way that this piece was written and disappointed in ESEA for allowing it to be published under the heading of ESEA news. This isn't news, it is an opinion piece that adds drama to a game which has tried desperately to separate itself from such.
    Read More
    #30
     / · 12.2.12 at 9:49pm #32 enigma
    " ... to a game which has tried desperately to separate itself from such."

    well that's just not true
     / · 12.2.12 at 11:31pm #33 Deathanchor
    Referenced post #30 by G33KoftheYear2012
    While I usually enjoy djc's writings, this particular piece is a disgrace. I agree with those above that it is comparable to tabloids, and the blatant bias against b4nny really has me... questioning the authenticity of the "facts". Could you not have said in the article who you got these "facts" from, and therefore allow the reader to determine for themselves whether or not to believe them? Unless you have physical proof than it really is just speculation. And not even reporting b4nny's side of the story?

    If this were written on a blog or on your own personal website then that is fine, but I expected more than an opinion piece meant to stir the drama from ESEA news. Competitive TF2 really doesn't need articles such as this that just stir the pot, as it seems to blow things out of proportion and looks to be taking invite politics the way of CS:Source. I am disappointed in djc for the unfair and unprofessional way that this piece was written and disappointed in ESEA for allowing it to be published under the heading of ESEA news. This isn't news, it is an opinion piece that adds drama to a game which has tried desperately to separate itself from such.
    Read More
    #30

    I totally understand where you are coming from, but I actually like the fact it was written more as an observation instead of an interview. Here we are getting a massive amount of facts mixed with some opinion, which I find covers a lot more topics and questions readers might have as well as making for a more interesting read.

    It doesn't take much effort to post an interview, and then we WOULD be getting a very narrow view into the team changes. Instead djc took the time to write a in depth analysis of it covering a ton of material while still not putting anyone in a negative light like kermit mentioned. The only approach I think could have also worked is to get an interview with multiple players at the same time.
     / · 12.2.12 at 11:54pm #34 G33KoftheYear2012
    Referenced post #32 by enigma
    " ... to a game which has tried desperately to separate itself from such."

    well that's just not true
    #32

    You have me there. What i meant to type was:

    ....to a game which SHOULD try desperately to separate itself from such

    And either way it is still nothing compared to the drama of CS/CSS teams. I can't remember the last time lpkane intervened and banned TF2 players for personal reasons or for malicious activity.

    Referenced post #31 by rk-
    #24 If that's so, how do you describe #30
    #31

    Well....he would most likely describe me as "full retard" well, pretty simple.

    Referenced post #33 by Deathanchor
    #30

    I totally understand where you are coming from, but I actually like the fact it was written more as an observation instead of an interview. Here we are getting a massive amount of... facts mixed with some opinion, which I find covers a lot more topics and questions readers might have as well as making for a more interesting read.

    It doesn't take much effort to post an interview, and then we WOULD be getting a very narrow view into the team changes. Instead djc took the time to write a in depth analysis of it covering a ton of material while still not putting anyone in a negative light like kermit mentioned. The only approach I think could have also worked is to get an interview with multiple players at the same time.
    Read More
    #33

    While you make a good point that it is somewhat refreshing to have some actual writing and not just straight interviews, it is incorrect to call it a "massive amount of facts" when all we really have to trust is djc's word with a little back up from clockwork after the article was written. How much harder would it have been to write "according to clockwork, ex-teammate of b4nny, he had planned to.........", thus allowing the reader to see the source of the information, and judge for themselves whether or not to believe it (seeing as there are no recordings or screenshots, it is all up in the air anyways). And i do agree with your point that an interview with one player would be even more unfair, but that is not what I intended to suggest. Based on the way the article was written, it seems as if djc did not have words with either tyrone or b4nny, and based his article off of what 3rd parties said happened. This brings into question the authenticity of the "facts", as it would have been much better if he talked to both tyrone and b4nny, and reported on both sides of the story.

    And I must disagree, he does put b4nny in a negative light. While he does admit that b4nny's primary flaw (being super competitive/intense) is not necessary an entirely negative one, he presents b4nny as the antagonist in this incident, without any evidence other than that of clockwork (again, not mentioning his source until clockwork stepped forward after the fact). And once again I will say that this piece is an okay read if it were not posted to ESEA News, as this site should not be about personal opinions (unless it comes to pred's) but more so about reporting on what is happening around the league. Either way, i do enjoy reading djc's articles normally, as they differ from the norm, but this strays into the unprofessional.
     / · 12.3.12 at 12:59am #35 rk-
    Boom. Fixed.

    (see banner above top photo)

    For the record, we're not the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or even the freaking Globe and Mail. We're a website talking about a game that is a niche of a niche of a niche, which means we can foray into the journalistic grey area every once in a while. Besides, he article is actually pretty balanced - the only real hard point it makes is that b4nny was the ultimate the catalyst for all these changes... does anyone really disagree with that?

    Translation: Stop whining that djc betrayed the moral high ground.

    Last modified on 12/3/2012 at 1:08 am
     / · 12.3.12 at 2:54am #36 blastogrizzillion
    This reads beautifully and I'm certainly interested in the subject. Unfortunately, I came for info, and the most informative sentence I read was in the comments.
     / · 12.4.12 at 3:17am #37 2_much_4_IM
    RIP djc your blasphemy will not be forgotten
     / · 12.7.12 at 12:30am #38 carnage
    lets make a team b4nny
     / · 1.18.13 at 10:53pm #39 TomSkirrett
    What happened to mackey?
     / · 1.18.13 at 11:06pm #40 buckweet
    http://play.esea.net/users/340837

    Playing on a 4-2 open team astronerds. I believe he is using fan on scout for the majority (or attempting to).
    Post a Comment
    You must have an ESEA account and be signed in to post a reply.